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Democracy in Taxes

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Taxes seem to be an inescapable evil of life. Everyone seems to hate them, and most people would prefer to not pay them. This persistent opposition to taxation suggests that there may a problem in our approach. Are taxes really that bad? And could they be fixed?

What exactly is the purpose of taxation? Sure, taxes take our money, but where does it go? Taxes provide money to the government, which it uses at its own discretion to fund various projects. These projects -- ideally -- go to the public good. The fact that government services are public goods is important. It implies that the goods and services that government provides cannot be provided by private sources. This is because of the free rider problem, which is where it is impossible to separate between payers and non-payers. Governmental services are designed to help everyone equally. If left to private sources, people would wait for other people to pay so that they could get a free ride. Take a water purification center. It would benefit the entire community by cleaning the environment and providing more potable water. If one person decides to buy it, then, everyone in the community benefits. So there is very little incentive for people to pay, if they hold out someone else could give them a free ride. Taxation removes this difficulty, since everyone is made to pay for public goods.

So taxation is necessary for the proper functioning of a society, as it allows public goods. Where is the problem, then? One objection to taxes is that the government takes our money and uses it at its own discretion. It is this inability to control one's own earnings that many people find objectionable in taxes. So if there were a way for people to control where their money went and still provide public goods, the problem of taxation would disappear. This should not be a great difficulty, though, because government controlled by the people is part of the definition of democracy. What is necessary is a democratization of taxation.

One solution would be to change the approach by which tax revenue is allocated. When people prepare their taxes, they would also get a list of goods and services that the government offers (due to the large number of government projects, this list would probably need to focus on the level of departments -- i.e. Department of Health and Human Services or the Department of Defense). They would then select where they want their money to go and send it to the government. This essentially allows citizens to vote on government projects with their tax dollars. Popular projects are funded and grow, while unpopular ones are eliminated. In this method, people get the incentive of directing where their money goes, so they keep their purchasing power and are in control of their own funds. However, because the tax money is already allocated to public goods, the free rider problem is circumvented. A separate public market is established, where everyone is required to participate while retaining their autonomy.

This system would have the added benefit of reducing government corruption. Private interests and lobbyists would have less reason to bribe the legislature if it cannot give them money. Even Congress were to be corrupted and create programs that benefit private interests, public oversight would reduce its effectiveness. The citizenry itself would have to be corrupted, rather than its elected representatives.

No system is perfect, though. This change does have some potential pitfalls. It would require increased citizen interest in the government, since less popular programs may still be necessary. The majority could fail to know what is best or improperly plan for eventualities. Even if this flaw would be their own fault, some type of check or balance is needed. Three independent methods may serve to safeguard the public interest against the fickle whims of the majority. The first is to allow Congress to retain some degree of control over the allocation of funds. Congress could transfer a certain percentage of funds to other programs, thereby allowing them to edit the budget. In case the public incorrectly allocates funds (i.e. too much to one program while neglecting others), Congress would still have the power to balance this out, although not to the degree they previously enjoyed. So in addition to creating government programs for citizens to support, Congress would also check the excesses of its citizens. Another safeguard would accept that this change may be flawed. In this case, only a percentage of an individual's taxes would be at their discretion. The rest would still be controlled by Congress. This would mix the methods of taxation and provide a test of each. The final control would manage the presence of unanticipated disasters. In case a problem arose and the country lacked the means to solve it, Congress could re-allocate funds. This would basically increase the power that Congress was granted in the first safeguard, allowing them to respond to more drastic challenges. These controls would not eliminate all problems, but they might help.

This policy would allow private citizens to retain their freedom in the public sphere. People would still be forced to pay taxes, but they would retain their freedom to decide how to spend their money. In doing, personal freedom and public benefit are balanced, producing what may be a more equitable compromise.

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{"commentId":193936,"authorDomain":"darkness"}

I thought of this the other day and wanted to see what people think of it. I rather like it, but there might be something I missed.

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    Reply#1 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 2:51 PM EDT
    {"commentId":193968,"authorDomain":"darkmane"}

    It is similar to an idea that I had for lottery proceeds.

    Imagine rather than the proceeds going into a states general fund, you could buy themed tickets and the theme would determine where the proceeds went, education themes, road themes, law enforcement themes.

    I agree that the major problem would be unpopular but necessary programs like sewage treatment plants and mass transit.

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    #1.1 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 3:11 PM EDT
    {"commentId":193982,"authorDomain":"darkness"}

    An interesting idea. With lottery tickets, the odds could be adjusted for different programs, encouraging people to put money into less popular areas.

    Ideally, there should be some smart people out there who would know enough to pay for the necessary programs. The safeguards could prevent a wholesale abuse of the system, but ultimately it would come down to people knowing what is important to fund.

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      #1.2 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 3:16 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":194848,"authorDomain":"danish"}

      It's a good idea, with upsides and downsides. Could it possibly increase bureaucracy? Handling fiscal policies is already a quite demanding task, and a system with major loopholes.

      Some criticizable government policies could be sieved out in the process, but there may be collateral damage. Will minority interests be served full well under such a system?

      One last question: Is it necessary? The concept of decentralization is generally thought to provide the checks and balances sought for with voters airing their discontent in the voting ballots.

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        Reply#4 - Fri Jul 7, 2006 2:45 AM EDT
        {"commentId":195330,"authorDomain":"darkness"}

        Bureaucracy probably would increase some, but it would also reduce bureaucracy in other areas.

        The presence of the safeguards was designed to protect minority interests. There will still be some risk, but every action has a degree of risk. With caution and foresight, those risks can be minimized and people may benefit.

        Lastly, no it is not necessary. Very little in life is. However, it is consistent and provides a stronger connection between people and their government. Many people dislike the government or feel that it does not properly represent them. By increasing their participation in government, they gain more political voice and might make it easier for the government to represent people's desires. It will not replace voting, but it might supplement or improve it.

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          #4.1 - Fri Jul 7, 2006 11:45 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":195244,"authorDomain":"griswold"}

          Well written, but I find several issues:

          1) Inherent in your argument you are implying that DIRECT democracy is somehow better than the representative form... I don't much care for the 435 congressional schmucks (with several exceptions) at the moment, but I am quite sure that I'd rather have a representative electorate weighing the evidence and making the decisions -- people care too little about their government, which is tragic for our future, but even without that fact, direct democracy is too inefficient and scary a notion.

          2) The issue with taxes (for me) is solely this fact: the AMOUNT the government takes is far more than I'm willing to pay, and their causes are far outside their purpose. Somewhere between sanity, the New Deal, and whatever the heck we call what we have today, we've developed a nanny state... one above and beyond the government's limited purposes of security / markets / public good (which you aptly noted as concisely as I've ever seen it). -- if it cost trillians of dollars to ensure those noble things, then great -- but it doesn't... that is, without the schmorgasborde of excess programs.

          3) The third and most striking issue with this approach - which to me seems to turn each branch/dept into a pleading charity (not that I wouldn't love to watch them dance and justify their rediculous spending) -- is that you will have, in the end, MORE useless spending, corruption, etc. Now, what you have created is a bunch of groups with disparate interests who will now spend their 9-5 dealing with "fundraising" and putting together promotional materials so that the American people can justly understand their noble cause of (???). You'd be setting organizations against one another even more in pursuit of the taxpayer "donation". But seriously -- in a battle of departments, Rumsfeld would just airstrike the dept of education... not a fair fight... perhaps if we made it Rumsfeld vs. Teacher Unions in a no weapons cage match... winner takes all (hey, we could use the pay-per-view revenues to offset my taxes).

          I think real reform will require real change in the way we structure the system. Flat tax? Consumption tax? Fair tax? ...Or the current system, which has emerged only to provide an outlet for otherwise fortuneless CPA graduates (j/k).

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            Reply#5 - Fri Jul 7, 2006 11:02 AM EDT
            {"commentId":195357,"authorDomain":"darkness"}

            1) I don't see this as direct democracy vs representational democracy. You paid the money, so you should have a say where it goes. A (not very good) analogy would be sending in your vote and letting Congress decide who you wanted (which they sort of do now, but the point is that it reduces the voice of the citizen).

            2) I understand that amount is always the issue. I was looking at it from the perspective of "if we have to pay this much anyways, we might as well get the most benefit out of it." But with this system, you could make a point of not funding the programs you thought were wrong. So your money, at least, would be going to necessary tasks.

            3) I agree that this could be a problem, although I am not sure of how it would result in corruption. Yes there will be some need for the departments to campaign, but I'm not sure that is necessarily a bad thing. Informing the taxpayers might help them make better decisions. As for pitting the departments against each other for limited resources, that is exactly how market economics works. Much of the time, a good balance is set.

            Changing the tax structure may be important, but it seemed like to broad and divisive an issue to include with my proposal.

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              #5.1 - Fri Jul 7, 2006 11:59 AM EDT
              {"commentId":196404,"authorDomain":"griswold"}

              1) I'll grant you in part, but you are still asking people to inform themselves (which they time and time again show no interest in when it comes to American politics), maintain an awareness of the issues, and understand the issue. I break it down like this: we just had a local initiative to make every housing development a ballot issue -- in my opinion, a really lame idea because we've entrusted our local reps, who are *supposed* to be informed/intelligent experts on the subject, to deal with that...

              2) this also represents a problem -- many people think the war in Iraq is wrong... the dept of education... medicare, etc. Funding for legitimate programs shouldn't be a popularity contest, and in the same way -- the popular, grassroots initiatives often don't benefit enough people to justify intense funding. Not saying that congress gets anywhere close to getting this right (see the multimillion dollar alaskan bridge project), but just a point.

              3) I love market economics (almost as much as newsvine), but in the macro-government perspective you setup, I don't want agencies running campaigns to appease public opinion and solicit money... we have enough politics already. And I could only imagine a debate platform: the CDC tells you how smallpox will be the end of the world, and the DOD rivals back "that is, assuming we can disarm North Korea in time for the virus to take effect"... PANDEMONIUM (but good material for satire, I suppose). Anyway, I see this leading to demagogues, useless platforming and contention.

              Good call on the tax structure point... just had to throw that in.

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                #5.2 - Sat Jul 8, 2006 3:02 AM EDT
                {"commentId":196909,"authorDomain":"darkness"}

                1) I had this objection as well, the quality of taxpayers would be a great detriment to the program. I have to ready solution to it. However, I am not certain it is truly a pertinent concern. The same flaws that exist with the system I've proposed also exist in the voting system. If we can accept a flawed voting system, where the "ignorant masses" may hold too much sway, then I am hard-pressed to think of a reason why this tax system will not work.

                2) The line "funding shouldn't be a popularity contest" works just as well as "elections shouldn't be a popularity contest." Many programs are unpopular. Some of them are necessary. Some not. Ideally, increased democratic participation would eliminate the unnecessary ones. A major advantage to this system is that it is not all or nothing, as most elections are. If a minority of people fund an unpopular program, that program still gets their money. While it might not get as much, it would still get some. This is at least an improvement over elections where the winner gets all the power, even if there was a large minority opposing.

                3) This problem is another one that occurred to me and that I don't have any ready solution for. I can only say that the advertising should not be drastically different from political ads or even corporate ads. We allow businesses to advertise for our money, why not government agencies? Sure the ads will be horribly stupid and probably rely on fear mongering, but it is that really sufficient to refuse their existence?

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                  #5.3 - Sat Jul 8, 2006 2:47 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":198229,"authorDomain":"griswold"}

                  1. we're agreed

                  2. for some reason, a funding popularity contest scares me far more than an election popularity contest... your point made me realize that, but I'll have to explore why.

                  3. businesses do not equal government agencies. If you will grant me that government agencies will then run themselves like businesses, finding profit centers to sustain their growth and delivering services that are competitive outside of a monopoloy... then I'll go with you.

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                    #5.4 - Sun Jul 9, 2006 8:58 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":198240,"authorDomain":"darkness"}

                    1. We no longer need to mention this, let's just move on to:

                    2. I'm interested to know your reasons. The fact that you make the distinction suggests that I've missed something in my description of taxes. The sooner you explain, the sooner we can progress.

                    3. I'm not entirely certain what you mean here. I don't think that governmental services can be run completely as businesses. The nature of the services they provide would make that self-defeating. However, I think you are talking about something else.

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                      #5.5 - Sun Jul 9, 2006 9:07 PM EDT
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